Sunday, November 2, 2008

On Raj Thackeray and Marathi Asmita

Last couple of weeks in the country were marked with ugly forms of Violence and Political mud slinging. It was heart breaking to see people from different parts of country pointing fingers at other communities. It was further disappointing to see that none of the so-called intellectuals (other than Shobha De) from Maharashtra or else where are voicing their opinions on the issue. The issue seems to be hijacked by politicians who are using the incidents to gain political mileage.

So the first question is, Do Mumbaikars / Marathis have first claim on jobs in Maharashtra and Mumbai ? Most of the people even though they dont support violence seem to have an positive answer to this. They talk about a law which says 80 % of the "un-skilled" jobs should be reserved for locals. I confess that even I used to keep this view that for all the unskilled jobs there should be reservation for locals. However while debating on this point with a friend I realized that by keeping this view, I was really distinguishing between "locals" and "outsiders". When we talk about India as one country it is incorrect to distinguish between locals and outsiders. If we support this view then we will have to also support a view which says that 80% jobs in Girgaon should be reserved for people staying in Girgaon and people staying in Dombivali should not have claim on those jobs. The basic question is why do we consider Biharis and UPites to be different from Marathis. Why cant we look at all of us as Indians ?

Second question is are these communities attacking Marathi culture ? Before we look at this question lets understand What is Culture ? What are the things that characterize a culture ? Is it language ? The Marathi language used by Shivaji Maharaj was drastically different from Marathi spoken today. If you read some of the letters written by Raja Shivaji (This is how he used to sign them) most of the modern Marathi Speakers would not even understand what is written. Then do we say that Shivaji Maharaj does not represent Marathi culture ? It is said that in after you travel for 8 kms the language changes. Then how can we say that language characterizes the culture. Language is a medium to acquire knowledge. The renowned Marathi Writer V.P.Kale has said that "Odh hi dnyanachi asawi, bhaashechi navhe ..Ingraji hatao peksha mala adnyan hatao he jasta mahatwache watate" (The quest should be for Knowledge not Language, I think removing ignorance is more important than removing language). Marathi language is not going to die as long as there is quality literature like that of P.L.Deshpande, Y.D.Phadke, V.P.Kale, V.S. Khandekar,etc. and poems like those of G.D. Madgulkar, Grace, Suresh Bhat. And if literature cannot save the language then I am sure having boards and number plates in Marathi cannot save the language too.

Is culture characterized by superficial things like Kande Pohe, Pagdi or Feta, Puran Poli. These days we dont keep Shendis, dont wear Janwas (sacred threads) dont regularly do Sandhya. Our eating habits are different from our ancestors but we are still proud to say that we are "Hindus". Similarly, lifestyle of an average maharshtrian has changed. Maharashtrian women no longer wear nauwari saris. Maharashtrian men dont wear pagdi or fetas but still we call ourselves Marathi.

When we meet an "Indian" (who may be of any religion or from any state) in a foreign land, we feel a warm affection towards him, I think this affection is what we call Culture. Culture is a bridge that brings people closer. Culture is thinking of India as one country and to be tolerant towards people with different rituals and different life style.

Thinking of India as One Country has been exemplified by Maharashtra in history. When Marathas fought a war in Panipat against Ahmedshah Abdali, they were representing India not Maharashtra. When Tatya Tope, Nanasaheb Peshwa, Rani Laxmibai of Jhansi revolted against British in 1857 they were fighting for India not Maharashtra. Lokmanya Tilak's editorials after Partition of Bengal gave him 6 years of severe imprisonment but also made him "Bade Dada" of Bengalis. When Babasaheb Ambedkar fought for the rights of Dalits, he didnt restrict his struggle to Maharashtra. Rajguru happily died for India with Bhagat Singh and Sukhdeo. Swatantryavir Savarkar, S.A.Dange, Sunil Gavaskar, Sachin Tendulkar, Lata Mangeshkar, Asha Bhosale, Kishori Amonkar,Pt.Bhimsen Joshi, Gopal Krishna Gokhale, Maharaja Sayajirao Gaikwad, Vijay Tendulkar, Kusumagraj, Dhondo Keshaw Karve, Raghunath Karve, Dr. Jayant Naralikar, Wrangler Paranjape, Dr. Mashelkar, Dr. Narendra Jadhav, P.L.Deshpande, Nanaji Deshmukh, Nirmala Deshpande, Baba Amte ................ the list just goes on ... (I dont intend to separate out people like JRD Tata, Ambani who have non-maharashtrian sirname but am just excluding them to keep the argument simple) So many different people in diverse fields having different views epitomize the Marathi Culture.

Legacy of Maharashtra and Marathis in diverse fields like Art, Literature, Social Causes, Politics is immense. But the common thread is that all these people have thought of India as one country and didnt restrict themselves to Maharashtra. I think that is what represents Marathi Culture. If Marathi culture is under attack it is not from people from other states (so called outsiders) but from people like Raj Thackeray who have a narrow mindset and who are breaking this historical tradition of Maharashtra.

I think Culture is like "Khayal" in Indian Classical Music. An artist is expected to develop an individual style one that is demonstrably connected to the tradition, and those performers who restrict themselves to mere imitation of their preceptors or of other famous musical personalities are firmly criticized for a lack of imagination. Similary those who just copy the superficialities of lifestyle and call it as culture do not really represent the culture. (Thought of using "Khayal" in this way seems to be liked by many readers. But it is not my original thought. It was used by Gandhi in talking about how he is continuing Lokmanya Tilaks Politics)

Another argument is "Look at how people from Tamil Nadu or Bengal are "intolerant" to other languages, Shouldnt We be equally strong about Marathi and intolerant to languages other than Marathi". I havent traveled to Bengal or Tamil Nadu so I dont have first hand experience of their intolerance. The Tamilians and Bengalis whom I have personally met are compassionate and probably more tolerant than I am. But even if we assume that there is such intolerance in those states, it should be viewed as weakness of those states and that culture. We should not be blind because someone else is blind.

So what about the Marathi Youth who is in the center of the debate. I think Marathi Youth is more educated unlike the Bihari/ UP Youth. If they want to compete with bhaiyyas (original meaning intended not derogatory), they have a natural advantage as they have stayed here for a long time, they know adjoining areas more, they know the market place better than north indian youth. If there is a regional lobbying in any sector, get organized and break the lobby (You dont need to break anyones bones for that). Develop new skills, make yourself competitive and no one will be able to take your jobs away.

What about the cities like Mumbai which are subjected to the influx? There is a need to organize the influx. The problem with the city is not the influx but infrastructure. Developing the infrastructure to meet the amount of people in Mumbai is a challenge but it is definitely not impossible and only the skills of Marathis wont be sufficient to build that kind of infrastruture. Marathis will have to work with people like Sreedharan (Konkan Railway, Delhi Metro) for planning and execution, people from probably Gujarat for Investment, People from North for Manpower.

I hope Marathis would take up this challenge and make the state a real "Maha-Rashtra" (The Great Rashtra).

14 comments:

Sagar said...

Dost, well said, you are correct in all senses. But our education system itself teaches us "Reservation" from our childhood. Tell me what are we doing for changing the current scenario? In our lives, we are always taught to ADJUST with circumstances? Have we ever thought of changing our thinking? My sincere urge, please visit www.jaagore.com :)

Prasad Khisti said...

Hey buddy, you talk like a great socialist or nationalist :)

I truly agree to whatever you say, I would like you to see with some other aspect lets say that Maharashtra is your house, in one room its your bedroom, 2nd your brothers and sisters and third your parents. Now suppose due to some reason you keep a paying guest and allot a room to him. Now what happens he calls some more friends for few days and asks can they stay with us for few days, as you are sociologist you agree; now they start using your resources ( perfumes, computer, gadgets, clothes etc.., think everything that you can allow to a room mate) still that is ok with you. After few days they take everything into granted, and start using whatever that is yours or your families, they dont let you watch Etv or marathi channels but they compel you to watch Etv Bihar, or some of their regional channels, they keep a pooja on one day and invite many ppls to your house and start showing there power by bringing sticks and pretending to their guests as if it is their house and guests can do anything, which intern disturb the peace of your house now in this situation what would you do?

I think the same Raj Thackerey is doing. It is easy to talk when you are on the other side of the wall. Buddy we are busy in our day to day life and we get paid very well, but think of ppls in Maharashtra who are dying due to unemployment, it not that they are not capable of doing job, but it the lobby making form North Indians and South Indians in Maharashtra that is making life miserable to work in those places. People are not mad to support Raj, There is saying "There is no smoke without fire". In Manufacturing and other Non-IT Industries this lobby operates drastically.

I nor even any Maharashtrian would oppose ppl to work for there bread and butter in Maharashtra but when they start snatching out bread and butter in our own land/home making our life miserable no way.

These UP and Bihari politician are the basters who are illiterate dosent know how to bring employment to there land, also dont know how to breed crops and earn money, they only know how to snatch bread and butter from others hand and are sending these ppls in tons and tons to show there power in Maharashtra, they want there party candidate to win from Maharashtra for MLA and all. This is also not tolerable. Thats why I am a big Fan of Modi.

I have lot more to talk on this debat but I have some other priorities to deal with but surely some other time if you come for a coffee or tea with me we will debate more :)

Enjoy !!!

Sagar said...

Dear Prasad,

I guess even we are doing same thing in sitting AC offices working in IT & ITES section.
Are we not snatching bread & butter of onsite people?

Just a thought, no personal issues please.

~Sagar

Prasad Khisti said...

Sagar,

In one way you are right that we are snatching bread and butter of US guys ( Not North Indians ;) jokes apart).

I think you are pretty much aware that any company does not work for its employees but for its stake holders. Jobs that are coming to India are monotonous and repetitive. This has given US guys to do jobs like consultant, architect kind of which has enhanced there skills and are moved to one step ahead. Now the same thing is happening in India the monotonous jobs are moving to China and Brazil. And more skilled jobs are coming to India it is cycle, after few days US guys would do only sales and we would manage the rest.

I don't think this is anywhere concerned to this discussion/thread.

What I mean to say in above para is North Indian (UP/Bihar) Government should realize that they should generate more opportunities for there ppl, should bring some business or companies instead of that they are harbouring violence, poverty, and unemployment. And such kind of ppl are coming here forming political parties and unnecessary try to vandalise Maharashtrain public and properties.

I hope I am clear this time :) And answered/ given a food for your thought.

Take care !! Enjoy !!

Aditya said...

Hi Prasad,

Thanks for your honest view. Modifying your example a little bit .. Lets say we along with our friends start an enterprise. One friend invests money, other friend because he is slightly less educated takes up all the low end work he works like a driver, cleaner, brings tea for you etc etc .. Now because of everyones hardwork, this enterprise becomes extremely profitable. Now you say that I can bring my children in the enterprise, the friend who invested money can bring his children into the enterprise, But this poor friend of ours cannot bring his children into the enterprise.

Who told you that this is your home? States were made on linguistic lines for administrative ease not for dividing the country and saying Marathis have more claim on Maharashtra and Bengalis have more claim on Bengal. Every indian has equal right on this "home" of yours.

I agree that there are lobbies in many industries. And if the view is taken to break the regional discrimination, I would support it. But Raj's struggle doesnt appear to be against discrimination but to oppose one discrimination, he is supporting a different discrimination.

If jobs are snatched from Marathi people, it is a time for them to introspect. In my personal experience a typical "bhaiyya" is much more hardworking as compared to marathi youth. However I dont want to generalize this statement. But I believe places like Mumbai give equal opportunity for every one as long as one is prepared to work hard and think differently. Why arent Gujaratis complaining about north indians. Probably they see an opportunity of utilizing these people, why cant a Marathi think that way ?

Aditya said...

Sagar, Thanks for the comments and the interesting link http://www.jaagore.com

Prasad Khisti said...

Hey Aditya,

You took me wrong this means that you haven't read my comments carefully :)

"I nor even any Maharashtrian would oppose ppl to work for there bread and butter in Maharashtra but when they start snatching out bread and butter in our own land/home making our life miserable no way".

I do agree that UP/Bihar ppl are honest and are loyal towards work, but what I am emphasising on are two basic points:

1) UP/Bihari guys come here for work, so they should stick to that and do not indulge in forming Political parties and showing there power saying thinks that would provoke sentiments of Maharashtrian ppl.
2) UP/Bihar Government should see to that they generate more employment in their states itself.

And I strongly oppose on your point that Maharashtra is not my home, I have agricultural land here, my house my forefathers have given there blood for development of this state, so that doesn't mean that I should be deprived from my basic right of leaving here and earning for my family, do you mean to say that some idiot comes here and starts working in my farm on daily wages then he should be having an equal right on my forefathers land? Do you mean to say that I should provide him an equal share to the profit I gain from agricultural goods if he works in my land? Common buddy its a business!

You talk about enterprise? what is that? It is like a small company which works for Profit and share equally, am I getting this right? Now you say that who have invested money he can appoint his son and the guy who was doing the hard work was deprived of his right of his son not placed in that enterprise...

So tomorrow you would say that Morgan Stanley should employ your son as you work for them and have a small piece of contribution that brought growth for the company? Is your HR gonna believe?

See migration of these ppl from there native to Maharashtra is bring load on existing Infrastructure, we have scarcity of light, water and lots of stuff.

About Gujarat, Did UP/Biharis dare to perform a chahat pooja in Gujarat, do you think that there are offices of Samajwadi Party or RJD, the answer is NO!! a big NO!! Those guys utilize them efficiently but do not let them to start political parties offices and do the things that they do in Maharashtra. So don't give me such examples ;)

Maharashtra is not an enterprise which would be runned by goons. Anyway I think I should stop here.

Enjoy !!

Aditya said...

Dont take it personally but using the same argument that you are making if people from Pune tell you go away .."you are depriving me from my basic right of living here and earning for my family" (rephrased from your comment) will you agree ...

And my objection is not for calling Maharashtra as home, my objection is for calling ONLY Maharashtra as your home.

Read about the study conducted by Tata Institute of Social sciences (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumbai/Mumbai_has_large_number_of_migrants_from_rest_of_Maharashtra_as_well/articleshow/3674144.cms) With same rule .. What would you tell rural Maharshtrians migrating to mumbai .. go away and generate employment in your own district ?

And why cant people form a political party ? Which law says that a Bihari cannot start a political party in Maharashtra ? And if Narendra Modi can come and give a speech in Mumbai why can't Lalu / Mayawati come ? (I am assuming your opposition to Lalu is because he is Bihari not because he is corrupt).

And why this language "bastards", "idiots" for our fellow countrymen ? I think we really need to talk over "coffee" / "tea" at a shop (probably that too will be served to us by a bhaiyya :-) )

Sagar said...

Frankly, we should not apply analogy to complete scenario because, one analogy might fit one scenario & might fail on other similar looking scenario.
Also, Mr Thackeray has immigrated from Indore :)
Correct me if i am wrong.

Prasad Khisti said...

Aditya,

I am a Punetie, so they cant send me out :) hahaha. examples are given just for understanding not for debating. I guess you are taking these things seriously and personally.

Do you belive 100% on whatever media tells?

See Maharashtra Government and Companies here are taking a step to develop cities such as Aurangabad, Nagpur, Latur, Nandeed, Parbhani to promote Industrial development by given lots of subsidies to Industries which are opening their Units. Kokan is also been developing with Agri Industries and fertilizer Industries. These are the steps which MH government is taking, so that the ppls from that region should not overflow to urban areas.

Its not like that I hate Biharis or UP guys ..., I have many friends from there who leave in Pune and they come to my place regularly. I have not targeted any political leader (e.g: Lalu / Mayawati). They also don't like to come here and work for Bread and butter here. They miss their home, relatives, tradition and all.

This is due to their political leaders, local/National whatever, their are two distinguish class their, its upper or lower and agriculture is the main occupation that too there are ppl with 100acrs and 1 Guntha or 2. There is a very less percentage of educated and middle class ppl. There government is breading criminals (most of my bihar friends say that 80% of their friends are criminals and are in Jail or working for political parties leader who are gundas).

My friend I am not opposing Raj Thackeray nor supporting him. But I think that he is correct somewhere but his method of communicating is different. Our constitution says that ppl are free to go anywhere across India and live, And a section says that peoples migration to the other place should not hurt the feeling of the local resident. About politics stating Modi can come here and give a speach and why can't other leaders.

Do you know why this things come up? Some North Indian leader said that he will distribute lathis to those north guys, if someone opposes to celebrate UP day in Maharashtra. What is this? If someone was opposing this thing then they should have taken route of Mahatma Gandhi not of "Gundas" or "Goons". Raj 'reacted' on that, remember it was a reaction not action.

That leader should have celebrated Maharashtra day also, they should have contacted the Maharashtra Government instead of that they have started Gundagiri and promoting that.... It would be ok in their part of India. Not here!! For your clarification again I am not opposing the UP Day here its the Gundagiri I am targetting.
Will you allow this kind of Gundagiri?
Will you tolerate somebody who is threatening you?
Will you tolerate someone who is coming to your house and showing you lathi and saying we will do whatever we want?

Nobody will tolerate this type of Gundagiri after all its a democratic country. If you say 'yes'. Then I have never seen a person such coward as you. ;)

Don't judge the world with Media/Net/Television open your eyes and see what's going around.... Meet different ppl.

If you have friends from different Industries you can ask them about there opinion. I don't think they would have differences on my veiw. Anyway this is a history now and lets move on forgetting this ..... as we have a great appetite of digesting many things.

And of course you are welcome for tea or coffee or lunch or dinner, if you want I will call my north Indian friends too :)

I have communicated or stated what I felt, its nothing to do with any religion or caste or ppls from any religion or part of India, its just I open my heart and discussed these things in that if I have called bastered or idiot to somebody its just my emotion. If anyone's feelings are hurt then please excuse me and accept my apologies. Anyway don't take these things personal.

Take care and Enjoy !!

Aditya said...

Thanks for your comments Prasad. I think its good to draw a line here and stop debating on this and flood the comments. We will definitely meet for a tea/coffee ..

Will post something on someother topic on the weekend. Please do keep visiting and giving your comments.

संजय said...

first of all i don't think it's 4 d sake of any culture r locals..it's totally motivatyed by political reasons....since it has been s comman phenomenon in indian politics irrespective to state r regions unfortunately most celebrated n successful also dat an idiot with few hundred people can shaked whole governing body (did u forget d recent stir in rajashthan????). nodoubt migration is probel 4 any metro city n it shud b dealt with but irrespective 2 d origin of migrants......

Anonymous said...

Your blog reflects my thoughts. But guess what? There's no point discussing the various permuation combination you guys have been doing. I like the "don't mind" and "don't get personal" kickstart to the comments :P
GUys, why are you'll even trying to justify our politicians? They're all crooked bunch of dacoits! Did you know Shiv Sena and MNS are buddies behind the curtains? Who said MNS is doing for the sake of Marathis? Crap, they can't do anything but pelt stones and create chaos. Who said the UP/Bihari ministers are such devout hindu that they need to show off their pooja skills? Politics, power drives them insane - lust for power.
Very honestly speaking, I doubt any marathis are losing jobs because of opportunities being snatched. I mean think about it, opportunities won't come my way cos i'm not competent enough. If we start reservation policies, then I guess we need Dr Ambedkar back on earth :P
JObs are lost becuase of the economic slowdown and because of our extra intelligent harvard educated FM (or did he bribe harvard into giving him the degree?)! I don't mind pelting stones at him and making him understand better financial n monetary policies :P

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